Would you consider it an outrageous bias as well? Female criminal oriented season, fine, I can live with that. Don't even begin to act as if you know a single thing about me. I think unless she was aware of it and let it happen, surely they wouldn't take your kids away once the abuser is out of the picture? Rendered by PID 1999 on r2-app-019b4402814413501 at 2020-12-24 22:21:19.954231+00:00 running 6abf2be country code: IT. At first, she’s indignant when Natalie tells her she has ruined this man’s life. Leave me alone and go find somewhere else to spew your venom. This poses the risk for type 1 False Positive errors where innocent person's life is destroyed by public opinion before they could prove their case. The four series are Criminal: France, Criminal: Germany, Criminal: Spain, and Criminal: UK.The series was devised by its showrunners George Kay and Jim Field Smith, and produced by their company Idiotlamp Productions. See detailed rule descriptions here. This recap of Criminal: United Kingdom season 2, episode 3, “Danielle”, contains spoilers. You can check out our thoughts on the previous episode by clicking these words. Movie details. I sometimes feel it’s a moral obligation to pass their information onto a vigilante group of sorts because if they are repeat offenders and everything points to them doing it again, well it just saddens me and frustrates me. But damn, the dialogue and acting in this show is superb. They didn't state once anything about rape victims as a whole. [–]Not_JohnBender 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago (2 children). Where was their father? It also seems weird in season 1 they had a stereotyped pink haired (lesbian?) Yet we get explained the situation of Danielle in a much extensive manner but are left with the case of Alex with little to no evidence and is up to our imagination. [–]Terrible_Vermicelli1 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (3 children). Criminal is a very short series. To add further weight to your brilliantly written point. Sadly, that's not how human communication works. Stories of "delayed truth" when damage was already done really break my heart. And this is why you leave it to law enforcement to deal with these kinds of things. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. [–]FearlessTomorrowMay 6 points7 points8 points 3 months ago* (0 children). Not that I'm justifying her methods, since they ruined a man's life and led to the assault of a young girl, but it's an interesting facet of the story. But I disagree about spectacularly showcasing the victims' turmoil. Thank you, you explained it much more succinctly than I ever could. At best, it's unimaginative and dull to watch. Danielle: Asking increasingly pointed questions, the team tries to crack a zealous defense put forth by the head of an online group that unmasks sexual predators. Other than Episode 3 of Season 1, every single other ones been quite a masterpiece. In episode two, we have the female colleague report a false allegation of rape, and the police destroying a man’s reputation. [–]CancelTheHam 11 points12 points13 points 3 months ago* (7 children). I watched House MD entirely twice. She'd had other cases where she'd been wrong before, but they did also say Pesticide had helped put a lot of pedos behind bars too? [–]narcoticplease 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (1 child). Exactly. [–]FearlessTomorrowMay 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago* (2 children), I absolutely understand your thoughts. "Criminal: UK" Danielle subtitles Season: 2 - Episode: 3. Like how is an 11 year old going to do anything you mentioned? Because you might as well ask why every bad act was commited by white person in this series. Yea appreciate your point and you're right, it is a rarely seen/if ever depicted representation of a real story that does effect people, and it was done really well. So when Alex was proven, at least legally, to be falsely arrested and accused of committing a crime. Also you shouldn't watch a show and say that it should tell another story than the one it told, you should take it on it's one merits. And I know I'm not the only one. What's the issue here? [–]zvone7 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children). - In the past we saw too many victims failing to get a conviction against their abuser. You could then go and get annoyed with House MD with hundreds of people with rare and life threating diseases wandering through New Jersey, when in reality most patients are diagnosed with cancer or flu. [–]Bolaf 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children). You can't try to silence those few shows that try to potray the other side of a coin just because you feel it's more important to endlessly talk about rape victims without ever acknowledging there are men and women falsely accused and imprisoned for things they didn't do. Real "family court took my kids for being a psycho" so now I must get revenge on the evil pedophiles hiding around every corner, [–]thesilvalining 13 points14 points15 points 3 months ago (11 children). They could have just told the story and let us decide how right or wrong she was. However like you say, we shouldn't decide which stories can be told and which shouldn't, and I do see how with MeToo and a lot of high profile or even just a guy like Alex with a good job getting his life dragged through the media is a real problem that people face. [–]ManitouWakinyan 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children). Keywords: extraterritorial, criminal, jurisdiction, international law, abuse of rights Suggested Citation: Suggested Citation Ireland-Piper, Danielle, Prosecutions of Extraterritorial Criminal Conduct and the Abuse of Rights Doctrine (September 26, 2013). That woman doesn't have the training to make the call on who gets punished, and that's what it was, punishment not justice. If he had been released just because of a lack of evidence, it would have been far more realistic portrayal, and his protests that he was innocent and that this could ruin his life could still have been thought provoking, i.e. And why everything just HAS to be about race, ethnicity or gender? They just keep bringing in actors who knock it out the park every single time. You ignored this big part of my comment entirely. It means that every person has their blind spot and Warren's blind spot is her faith/hope/naivety that most women are truthful. You said it yourself that it doesn’t always work in favour of the victim and that is a HUGE PROBLEM!!! Tarnish this episode like the other two episodes if you want but I thought that episode spectacularly displayed that no matter whether the allegations are true or not the real victims are the ones that suffer. Nowadays, the accused person often go through trial by media, where people default their judgement to "guilty" before the court could examine the evidence and make a verdict. [–]owntheh3at18 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children). The last episode was trying to make me feel empathy for a victim of a false rape accusation, and this episode for a victim of false paedophile accusations? As in convicted and sent to jail forever this innocent black man. We saw Vanessa grappled with the thought of making Danielle and example because she thought that Vanessa’s work caught paedophiles. Assume the woman is the evildoer and you'll probably be right. [–]DexHexMexChex 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (2 children). Love that you picked it up when I quoted it in such a serious manner, nine-nine! Do not include spoilers in post titles. If she had only sent one package to Scotlant Yard and waited for a thorough investigation without causing havoc, I probably would lean differently. I also agree that there will most definitely be viewers who leave the show with the wrong takeaway. [–]Terrible_Vermicelli1 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child). 'Criminal: UK' Season 2: Release date, plot, cast, trailer and all you need to know about Netflix's procedural drama. And all you did in return was insult me and call me a multitude of awful names. But with Danielle, the consequence of falsely accuse someone is the whole case. Wait... She is way, way out of line, but she's still trying to do good, right? For a few seconds at the beginning of the episode, I thought Danielle was going to be a vigilante against Alex (Kit Harrington’s character) since he “walked free.” Would have been interesting, but DAMN! Like the dad either fancys her girlfriends when they come over or he might even be into his own daughter. If you want to be treated with respect, then first learn to treat people with respect. Danielle is obviously guilty. The irony isn’t lost on me that this episode came after the rape allegation one. The “what can happen” refers to this- that her methods can lead to innocent people killing themselves. [–]Tommy_Frosted 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children). When the odds are already so stacked against them to begin with. they have just ruined an innocent man's life without a single thought but now suddenly we are supposed to believe they are on this moral crusade against false accusations and their ripercussions? The only difference is that normal people (who of course should not personally seek justice blindly and obsessively) are not bound by duty to follow protocols, research cases properly to preserve citizen's safety and integrity, gather real evidence with no bias or that kind of laziness: police is. [–]gopms 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children). If you're not part of a minority group you would have a hard time understanding what she meant when she said that. I only expect it to not be biased. Good day to you too. I work at a probation premises monitoring serial rapists and serial child predators. They should have been way more discrete in case of the scenario where he was actually innocent. That's like saying because we enjoy a crime thriller we would be ok with our house being burgled. Danielle is pleased with her work as a paedophile honey trap (Picture: Netflix) What are the cases of Criminal UK season 2? Her crusade began with Crispin Lewis, a P.E. Oh yeah, they'll take comfort in the fact that he will do it again to someone else, make them suffer and maybe for some reason that time he'll get caught? Danielle is under arrest for making an improper communication online, which it becomes obvious she doesn’t properly understand. Plus the pesticide site only has her name on it. She did ruin several lives, cause harm to the innocent bearded guy and his family, all because she doesn't have the necessary resources of the police force to conduct actual investigations. [–]FearlessTomorrowMay 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child). someone they knew and trusted was caught; a celebrity they grew up with was convicted). It's not that rare. This review of The King in Black #1 contains some minor spoilers. Was I putting an innocent man in jail?' Do you get it now? One thing: In the third act, the Detectives tell Danielle that Casper - Simmons' co-worker who'd been using his computer to groom what he thought was a child - is in custody as a result of their investigation. Please stop looking in the mirror when you're replying. In her path of bringing down one paedophile, she destroyed an innocent man's life (and the other 2 innocent people Tony mentioned had committed suicide), probably psychologically damaged him, and severely injured a child. Her methods might be extreme but her cause is pretty just. [–]ManitouWakinyan 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (1 child), [–]llumox 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children). All 3 of these show the damage that can be caused by vigilantism, trial by media and trial by public. Portraying pedophiles to be innocent men who get lured online by scheming 14 year olds and rape victims as scheming greedy women. 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